ceilings, it's far from optimal for the real economy. that said, i think you got a good point this is not a group that will put together coherent budget. they can't come together with regular aura and have a smooth trajectory. >> i'm going to make a forecast here. the gop message with these investigations, whether it's the irs or benghazi or the secret wiretapping of the phone records for the a.p., these are the evils of big government and the evils of government overreach. jared, you will hear this term, government overreach, time and time again. >> i don't disagree. >> the republicans have finally found a message. it may not be the greatest. this is what they will use. >> jimmy made point a minute ago, the reason this scandal is so depressing to people like me is i fully do believe, you probably agree, we need a good, strong functional accountable honest government. and when things like this happen. >> even though it's smaller. >> we can argue. >> i'd be much happier. >> we're not going to agree. we're going to disagree on the size, we